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	<title>Comments on: Do Not Feed The Literary Lions</title>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
		<link>http://www.theenthusiast.com.au/archives/2010/do-not-feed-the-literary-lions/comment-page-1/#comment-1266</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, interesting discussion. All I have to say is, I love "My Brother Jack". Oh, and Tim Winton is lame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, interesting discussion. All I have to say is, I love &#8220;My Brother Jack&#8221;. Oh, and Tim Winton is lame.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://www.theenthusiast.com.au/archives/2010/do-not-feed-the-literary-lions/comment-page-1/#comment-1243</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first thing that struck me about this post Mel was that it seems to be taking issue with the class that creates and reads this list without saying it explicitly. Which is fine, but I think it opens a debate about "literary" vs. "mainstream" tastes. Personally I am quite relieved that there are people with lit majors or extensive art degrees that have studied the provenance of different styles of writing and can point to the skill of certain writers vs the simple formulae of others.

Also:

"They reflect the tastes of a certain kind of Australian reader: someone interested in fraught family relationships and rugged individual struggles against untamed nature. These stories tend to take place in period – especially colonial – settings. What notion of ‘Australia’ do these books encourage their readers to identify with?"

I would say that one of the central purposes of literature in any culture  is to question and discuss its moorings. The books are well-regarded because they tap into concerns and insecurities that have been raised for people within a society. Authors also pick up on cultural currents, leading to significant emphasis on colonial settings etc. I think using the arts as a way to look at the past or current discomforts is a hugely important reflex. 

I am also cynical about the notion of a "self-sustaining, self-consciously literary notion of Australiana". I think this says more about the reader than the author - it seems to be cultural cringe to me. Australian authors write about Australian subjects. They are often topical, because writers (not all, but some) want to be part of a cultural conversation.  Think about whether you would apply this label to American authors who set their novels in New York, or South Africans who set theirs in Cape Town. Of course it is self-conscious - they are writing about their lives and their societies. I would also say it is a lot more diverse than your portrayal.

Finally, I do understand what you mean about people defining themselves by the novels they read, and their amazing dedication to understanding suburbia etc. However, I don't agree that novels like The Slap only  "appeal to the sensibilities of a comfortable, educated and politically progressive Australian audience." Have you researched whether people who grew up in a similar suburb might see the portrayal as particularly accurate, if not slightly more grotesque? I have had one friend tell me that it was so close to the bone for her she almost couldn't read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing that struck me about this post Mel was that it seems to be taking issue with the class that creates and reads this list without saying it explicitly. Which is fine, but I think it opens a debate about &#8220;literary&#8221; vs. &#8220;mainstream&#8221; tastes. Personally I am quite relieved that there are people with lit majors or extensive art degrees that have studied the provenance of different styles of writing and can point to the skill of certain writers vs the simple formulae of others.</p>
<p>Also:</p>
<p>&#8220;They reflect the tastes of a certain kind of Australian reader: someone interested in fraught family relationships and rugged individual struggles against untamed nature. These stories tend to take place in period – especially colonial – settings. What notion of ‘Australia’ do these books encourage their readers to identify with?&#8221;</p>
<p>I would say that one of the central purposes of literature in any culture  is to question and discuss its moorings. The books are well-regarded because they tap into concerns and insecurities that have been raised for people within a society. Authors also pick up on cultural currents, leading to significant emphasis on colonial settings etc. I think using the arts as a way to look at the past or current discomforts is a hugely important reflex. </p>
<p>I am also cynical about the notion of a &#8220;self-sustaining, self-consciously literary notion of Australiana&#8221;. I think this says more about the reader than the author - it seems to be cultural cringe to me. Australian authors write about Australian subjects. They are often topical, because writers (not all, but some) want to be part of a cultural conversation.  Think about whether you would apply this label to American authors who set their novels in New York, or South Africans who set theirs in Cape Town. Of course it is self-conscious - they are writing about their lives and their societies. I would also say it is a lot more diverse than your portrayal.</p>
<p>Finally, I do understand what you mean about people defining themselves by the novels they read, and their amazing dedication to understanding suburbia etc. However, I don&#8217;t agree that novels like The Slap only  &#8220;appeal to the sensibilities of a comfortable, educated and politically progressive Australian audience.&#8221; Have you researched whether people who grew up in a similar suburb might see the portrayal as particularly accurate, if not slightly more grotesque? I have had one friend tell me that it was so close to the bone for her she almost couldn&#8217;t read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.theenthusiast.com.au/archives/2010/do-not-feed-the-literary-lions/comment-page-1/#comment-1218</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scal – back in 2008 I actually set my mind to read my way through one of those arbitrary '100 Books' lists, and it was my plan to chronicle this 'journey' at &lt;i&gt;The Enthusiast&lt;/i&gt;. 

I guess this article really highlights all the story ideas that I have put on the back burner! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scal – back in 2008 I actually set my mind to read my way through one of those arbitrary &#8216;100 Books&#8217; lists, and it was my plan to chronicle this &#8216;journey&#8217; at <i>The Enthusiast</i>. </p>
<p>I guess this article really highlights all the story ideas that I have put on the back burner! <img src='http://www.theenthusiast.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Scal</title>
		<link>http://www.theenthusiast.com.au/archives/2010/do-not-feed-the-literary-lions/comment-page-1/#comment-1217</link>
		<dc:creator>Scal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I like Australian literature, I'm one of the "chattering class" intellectuals with fairly pedestrian tastes, and I have an English lit degree to boot. I have not read a single book on that list.

I've read plenty of Carey, Garner and Malouf, just not those listed. I own several Winton books but can't bring myself to read them. 

Kat's totally right - the lists are of what people would like to be seen to read rather than what they actually read. That BBC list of the 100 MUST READS that came out last year rang so false - "Hamlet" was one book, and "The Complete Works of Shakespeare" was another. "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe" appeared alongside "The Chronicles of Narnia". If someone asks you what your favourite book is, and you give the title of a series of books, it's a pretty sure bet that you haven't read any of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I like Australian literature, I&#8217;m one of the &#8220;chattering class&#8221; intellectuals with fairly pedestrian tastes, and I have an English lit degree to boot. I have not read a single book on that list.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read plenty of Carey, Garner and Malouf, just not those listed. I own several Winton books but can&#8217;t bring myself to read them. </p>
<p>Kat&#8217;s totally right - the lists are of what people would like to be seen to read rather than what they actually read. That BBC list of the 100 MUST READS that came out last year rang so false - &#8220;Hamlet&#8221; was one book, and &#8220;The Complete Works of Shakespeare&#8221; was another. &#8220;The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe&#8221; appeared alongside &#8220;The Chronicles of Narnia&#8221;. If someone asks you what your favourite book is, and you give the title of a series of books, it&#8217;s a pretty sure bet that you haven&#8217;t read any of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These polls always seem to reflect what people feel they should have read more that what they actually have read. That “zeitgeisty books hype” can put me off too – I’ve so far resisted The Slap because of it, even though I loved Dead Europe. I think the chattering classes are sometimes more conservative in their cultural consumption than they would like to admit. And I agree that some people use cultural capital gleaned from a particular kind of book or movie to show others that they are more intelligent/cultured/worldly. There was an episode of the First Tuesday Book Club a while back where Mem Fox, with great distain, informed everyone that she just couldn’t bear science-fiction. I remember rolling my eyes. 

And I’ve only read four of the books on the list. The last Australian book I read was one of the Phryne Fischer mysteries; it’s probably not going to make any best of lists, but it was fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These polls always seem to reflect what people feel they should have read more that what they actually have read. That “zeitgeisty books hype” can put me off too – I’ve so far resisted The Slap because of it, even though I loved Dead Europe. I think the chattering classes are sometimes more conservative in their cultural consumption than they would like to admit. And I agree that some people use cultural capital gleaned from a particular kind of book or movie to show others that they are more intelligent/cultured/worldly. There was an episode of the First Tuesday Book Club a while back where Mem Fox, with great distain, informed everyone that she just couldn’t bear science-fiction. I remember rolling my eyes. </p>
<p>And I’ve only read four of the books on the list. The last Australian book I read was one of the Phryne Fischer mysteries; it’s probably not going to make any best of lists, but it was fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, for a start I'm not conceited enough to believe that I'm the only judge of excellence in a book. While certain much-talked-about books divide critics and readers, others tend to be generally praised, and I don't think it hurts to go, "Well, it's safe to say it's a pretty good book then."

But my use of "excellent" in this context is probably more accurately: "Based on what I know about what I tend to enjoy in a book, and what I have heard about this particular book, I would probably really love it if only I could get over the fact that reading it would make me &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; sort of person."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, for a start I&#8217;m not conceited enough to believe that I&#8217;m the only judge of excellence in a book. While certain much-talked-about books divide critics and readers, others tend to be generally praised, and I don&#8217;t think it hurts to go, &#8220;Well, it&#8217;s safe to say it&#8217;s a pretty good book then.&#8221;</p>
<p>But my use of &#8220;excellent&#8221; in this context is probably more accurately: &#8220;Based on what I know about what I tend to enjoy in a book, and what I have heard about this particular book, I would probably really love it if only I could get over the fact that reading it would make me <i>that</i> sort of person.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: andyr</title>
		<link>http://www.theenthusiast.com.au/archives/2010/do-not-feed-the-literary-lions/comment-page-1/#comment-1211</link>
		<dc:creator>andyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"There are many excellent books that I still haven’t read because of this stubbornness."

How do you know a book is excellent if you haven't read it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are many excellent books that I still haven’t read because of this stubbornness.&#8221;</p>
<p>How do you know a book is excellent if you haven&#8217;t read it?</p>
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